we have to have the laws, the policing of the laws. and we have to insist that the children go to school. and we have to provide the teachers and the books and the classrooms for that. >> there's a lot made in china and india and other places, that flood into america and europe. what responsibility do businesses have that sell these products to try to find out what is going on at the origin of them? in terms of the sweatshops for the young kids? >> piers, good businesses will be checking the supply chains. they will be pretty sure where the goods are coming from. but businesses have to recheck, now that we know this christmas trade is being done. they've got to ask about who is the supplier? they've got to check whether the suppliers are using child labor. and they've got to monitor the conditions. there's got to be a combined effort from the companies themselves and from the governments of individual countries where we know child labor is being practiced. we managed with the help of the global march against child labor, an indian camp